Left Below


I’m sure you’ve heard of the Rapture, if only from those bumper stickers that say, “In case of rapture, this vehicle will be unmanned.” Because it’s totally not prideful to assume you’ll be one of the ones raptured, and I’m sure Jesus would be cool with your empty car causing a pile-up on the highway. It’s a fairly mainstream idea these days, as evidenced by the popularity of the Left Behind series, but I’m pretty sure it’s really still a minority belief among Christians. It’s just a very vocal minority with a lot of advertising revenue. It’s actually a quite new idea in the history of the religion, with its roots only known to date back to the seventeenth century. It’s all tied up with the notion of dispensationalism and the premillennial viewpoint. Basically, the Rapture is a very literal interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” The general impression seems to be that these are full bodies that are going to be lifted into the sky, perhaps forming an entire sphere of righteous Christians hovering above the Earth. The idea of the resurrection of the dead comes in turn from Daniel 12:2: “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” The resurrection was not accepted by all Jews in Jesus’ time, but it was quite a popular idea, and it seems that the earliest Christians accepted Jesus’ own resurrection as a precursor to what was to come for other dead people.

So when the dead in Christ rise into the air, will they regain their flesh, or will there be a bunch of skeletons up there? And what about people who were cremated? I understand that the Left Behind series has the raptured people leaving their clothes behind, I guess because Jesus is having a nude love-in up in the sky. What a crazy hippie that guy is!


The general idea of the Rapture was expressed by Increase and Cotton Mather in the seventeenth century, but it was John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren who really popularized it. It then made its way into the Scofield Reference Bible in the early twentieth century, which introduced the word “rapture” used in this sense to American evangelical culture at large. It was part of the theology of dispensationalism, based on the idea that history can be divided up into several eras or dispensations, each of which features a different relationship between God and mankind. Opinions differ on how many of these there are, but seven is a common number, for obvious reasons. This page lists them as the ages of innocence, conscience, government, patriarchal law, Mosaic law, grace, and the Millennial Kingdom. Premillenialists, as per the name, believe that the seventh era is in the future, and we have been in the age of grace since the time of Jesus. Harold Camping taught that the age of grace ended in 1993 and no one else has been saved since then (which makes me wonder why God even bothers keeping people around), but his beliefs are pretty unusual even for more radical evangelicals. Postmillennialists, on the other hand, believe we’re already IN the millennial reign of Christ on Earth, and Jesus will come back to end it all after the thousand years are up. Both views are based on Revelation 20, which refers to a thousand-year period in which Jesus and the martyrs of Christianity rule the world, and the Devil is chained in a bottomless pit. Premillennialists apparently take the idea rather more literally. While Revelation presents this as a future event, it also shows Christians as being a persecuted minority prior to this. While this was the case when the book was written, Constantine made it into an official religion in the Roman Empire, so some Christians then figured the millennium must have already arrived. The thousand-year figure, which probably comes from Zoroastrianism, is why the year 1000 was popularly predicted to be the end of the world. Over time, as Christianity split into many different denominations, ideas about eschatology became more and more complicated. The Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches have become more or less officially amillennialist, not regarding the thousand-year reign of Christ as a literal event at all, in past, present, or future. Early Protestants often took that view as well, but in recent centuries the idea of regarding all of Revelation as taking place in the future, despite the obvious references to the Roman Empire, has come back into vogue among certain Protestant sects. This view ties together various prophecies in different books of the Bible, creating a series of events that its believers consider a completely literal interpretation of the Bible, despite the fact that it’s basically a hodge-podge. And they think it’s coming any day now.

So where does the Rapture fit into all this? It’s basically a way to provide an easy out for the right kind of Christians. The prophecies in Revelation refer to a time when life is pretty crappy for everyone still living, commonly called the Great Tribulation, and often thought to last seven years. Using the passage from 1 Thessalonians combined with a few references from Revelation, believers in the Rapture think they’ll be lifted up into the sky BEFORE the Tribulation occurs, so they don’t have to worry about it. The persecution of Christians will then only happen to people who convert DURING the Tribulation. I guess the Rapture also helps explain how Christianity could possibly become a minority religion again, although it generally seems that pre-tribulational premillennialists only expect certain kinds of Christians to be raptured. Maybe the Rapture has already happened and no one noticed the people who disappeared. There are also mid-tribulational and post-tribulational premillennialists, who think believers will still be around for part or all of the Tribulation, but this post has already gotten pretty complicated. And I’m still not totally sure how preterism and futurism overlap with the various millennialist beliefs.

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  2. Irv says:

    [Howdy, Nathan. Enjoying your blog. And you might like these quotes that I found on the web.]

    FAMOUS RAPTURE WATCHERS !

    by Dave MacPherson

    (See if you can determine the rapture views held by these famous Christians of the past. Also note how the greatest Greek experts of all time interpreted Rev. 3:10.)

    Barnabas (40-100): “The final stumbling-block (or source of danger) approaches…for the whole [past] time of your faith will profit you nothing, unless now in this wicked time we also withstand coming sources of danger….That the Black One [Antichrist] may find no means of entrance…” (Epistle of Barnabas, 4).
    Clement of Rome (40-100): “…the Scripture also bears witness, saying, ‘Speedily will He come, and will not tarry’; and, ‘The Lord shall suddenly come [Matthew 24:30 coming] to His temple, even the Holy One, for whom ye look'” (I Clement, 23).
    Hermas (40-140): “Those, therefore, who continue steadfast, and are put through the fire [of the Great Tribulation that is yet to come], will be purified by means of it….Wherefore cease not speaking these things into the ears of the saints…” (The Pastor of Hermas, Vision 4).
    Polycarp (70-167): “He comes as the Judge of the living and the dead” (Epistle to the Philippians, II).
    Justin Martyr (100-168): “The man of apostasy [Antichrist], who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians…” (Dialogue With Trypho, 110).
    Melito (100-170): “For with all his strength did the adversary assail us, even then giving a foretaste of his activity among us [during the Great Tribulation] which is to be without restraint…” (Discourse on the Resurrection, i, 8).
    Irenaeus (140-202): “And they [the ten kings who shall arise] shall lay Babylon waste, and burn her with fire, and shall give their kingdom to the beast, and put the church to flight” (Against Heresies, V, 26).
    Tertullian (150-220): “The souls of the martyrs are taught to wait [Rev. 6]…that the beast Antichrist with his false prophet may wage war on the Church of God…” (On the Resurrection of the Flesh, 25).
    Hippolytus (160-240): “…the one thousand two hundred and three score days (the half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and persecute the Church, which flees from city to city, and seeks concealment in the wilderness among the mountains” (Treatise on Christ and Antichrist, 61).
    Cyprian (200-258): “The day of affliction has begun to hang over our heads, and the end of the world and the time of the Antichrist to draw near, so that we must all stand prepared for the battle…” (Epistle, 55, 1).
    Victorinus (240-303): “…the times of Antichrist, when all shall be injured” (Commentary on the Apocalypse of the Blessed John, VI, 5).
    Lactantius (240-330): “And power will be given him [Antichrist] to desolate the whole earth for forty-two months….When these things shall so happen, then the righteous and the followers of truth shall separate themselves from the wicked, and flee into solitudes” (Divine Institutes, VII, 17).
    Athanasius (293-373): “…they have not spared Thy servants, but are preparing the way for Antichrist” (History of the Arians, VIII, 79).
    Ephraim the Syrian (306-373): “Nothing remains then, except that the coming of our enemy, Antichrist, appear…” (Sermo Asceticus, I).
    Pseudo-Ephraem (4th century?): “…there is not other which remains, except the advent of the wicked one [Antichrist]…” (On the Last Times, the Antichrist etc., 2).
    Cyril of Jerusalem (315-386): “The Church declares to thee the things concerning Antichrist before they arrive…it is well that, knowing these things, thou shouldest make thyself ready beforehand” (Catechetical Lectures, 15, 9).
    Jerome (340-420): “I told you that Christ would not come unless Antichrist had come before” (Epistle 21).
    Chrysostom (345-407): “…the time of Antichrist…will be a sign of the coming of Christ…” (Homilies on First Thessalonians, 9).
    Augustine (354-430): “But he who reads this passage [Daniel 12], even half asleep, cannot fail to see that the kingdom of Antichrist shall fiercely, though for a short time, assail the Church…” (The City of God, XX, 23).
    Venerable Bede (673-735): “[The Church’s triumph will] follow the reign of Antichrist” (The Explanation of the Apocalypse, II, 8).
    Bernard of Clairvaux (1090-1153): “There remains only one thing—-that the demon of noonday [Antichrist] should appear, to seduce those who remain still in Christ…” (Sermons on the Song of Songs, 33, 16).
    Roger Bacon (1214-1274): “…because of future perils [for the Church] in the times of Antichrist…” (Opus Majus, II, p. 634).
    John Wycliffe (1320-1384): “Wherefore let us pray to God that he keep us in the hour of temptation, which is coming upon all the world, Rev. iii” (Writings of the Reverend and Learned John Wickliff, D.D., p. 155).
    Martin Luther (1483-1546): “[The book of Revelation] is intended as a revelation of things that are to happen in the future, and especially of tribulations and disasters for the Church…” (Works of Martin Luther, VI, p. 481).
    William Tyndale (1492-1536): “…antichrist preacheth not Peter’s doctrine (which is Christ’s gospel)…he compelleth all men with violence of sword” (Greenslade’s The Work of William Tindale, p. 127).
    Menno Simons (1496-1561): “…He will appear as a triumphant prince and a victorious king to bring judgment. Then will those who persecute us look upon Him…” (Complete Writings…, p. 622).
    John Calvin (1509-1564): “…we ought to follow in our inquiries after Antichrist, especially where such pride proceeds to a public desolation of the church” (Institutes, Vol. 2, p. 411).
    John Knox (1515-1572): “…the great love of God towards his Church, whom he pleased to forewarn of dangers to come, so many years before they come to pass…to wit, The man of sin, The Antichrist, The Whore of Babylon” (The History of the Reformation…, I, p. 76).
    John Fox (1516-1587): “…that second beast prophesied to come in the later time of the Church…to disturb the whole Church of Christ…” (Acts and Monuments, I).
    Roger Williams (1603-1683): “Antichrist…hath his prisons, to keep Christ Jesus and his members fast…” (The Bloody Tenent, of Persecution, p. 153).
    John Bunyan (1628-1688): “He comes in flaming fire [as Judge] and…the trump of God sounds in the air, the dead to hear his voice…” (The Last Four Things: Of Judgment).
    Daniel Whitby (1638-1726): “…after the Fall of Antichrist, there shall be such a glorious State of the Church…so shall this be the Church of Martyrs, and of those who had not received the Mark of the Beast…” (A Paraphrase and Commentary, p. 696).
    Increase Mather (1639-1723): “That part of the world [Europe] was to be principally the Seat of the Church of Christ during the Reign of Antichrist” (Ichabod, p. 64).
    Matthew Henry (1662-1714): “Those who keep the gospel in a time of peace shall be kept by Christ in an hour of temptation [Revelation 3:10]” (Commentary, VI, p. 1134).
    Cotton Mather (1663-1728): “…that New Jerusalem, whereto the Church is to be advanced, when the Mystical Babylon shall be fallen” (The Wonders of the Invisible World, p. 3).
    Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758): “…continuance of Antichrist’s reign [when the Church is persecuted] did not commence before the year of Christ 479…” (A History of the Work of Redemption, p. 217).
    John Wesley (1703-1791): “‘The stars shall…fall from heaven,’ (Revelation, vi. 13)….And then shall be heard the universal shout…followed by the ‘voice of the archangel,’…’and the trumpet of God’…(I Thessalonians iv. 16).” (The Works of the Rev. John Wesley, A.M., Vol. V, p. 173).
    George Whitefield (1714-1770): “…’while the bridegroom tarried,’ in the space of time which passeth between our Lord’s ascension and his coming again to judgment…” (Gillies’ Memoirs of Rev. George Whitefield, p. 471).
    David Brainerd (1718-1747): “…and I could not but hope, that the time was at hand, when Babylon the great would fall and rise no more” (Memoirs…, p. 326).
    Morgan Edwards (1722-1795): “[Antichrist] has hitherto assumed no higher title than ‘the vicar general of Christ on earth’…” (Two Academical Exercises etc., p. 20).
    John Newton (1725-1807): “‘Fear not temptation’s fiery day, for I will be thy strength and stay. Thou hast my promise, hold it fast, the trying hour [Revelation 3:10] will soon be past'” (The Works of the Rev. John Newton, Vol. II, p. 152).
    Adam Clarke (1762-1832): “We which are alive, and remain…he [Paul] is speaking of the genuine Christians which shall be found on earth when Christ comes to judgment” (Commentary, Vol. VI, p. 550).
    Charles G. Finney (1792-1875): “Christ represents it as impossible to deceive the elect. Matt. 24:24. We have seen that the elect unto salvation includes all true christians.” (Lectures on Systematic Theology, p. 606).
    Charles Hodge (1797-1878): “…the fate of his Church here on earth…is the burden of the Apocalypse” (Systematic Theology, Vol. III, p. 827).
    Albert Barnes (1798-1870): “…he will keep them in the future trials that shall come upon the world [Revelation 3:10]” (Notes on the New Testament, p. 94).
    George Mueller (1805-1898): “The Scripture declares plainly that the Lord Jesus will not come until the Apostacy shall have taken place, and the man of sin…shall have been revealed…” (Mrs. Mueller’s Missionary Tours and Labours, p. 148).
    Benjamin W. Newton (1805-1898): “The Secret Rapture was bad enough, but this [John Darby’s equally novel idea that the book of Matthew is on ‘Jewish’ ground instead of ‘Church’ ground] was worse” (unpublished Fry MS. and F. Roy Coad’s Prophetic Developments, p. 29).
    R. C. Trench (1807-1886): “…the Philadelphian church…to be kept in temptation, not to be exempted from temptation…” (Seven Churches of Asia, pp. 183-184).
    Carl F. Keil (1807-1888): “…the persecution of the last enemy Antichrist against the church of the Lord…” (Biblical Commentary, Vol. XXXIV, p. 503).
    Henry Alford (1810-1871): “Christ is on His way to this earth [I Thessalonians 4:17]…” (The New Testament for English Readers, Vol. II, p. 491).
    John Lillie (1812-1867): “In his [Antichrist’s] days was to be the great—-the last—-tribulation of the Church” (Second Thessalonians, pp. 537-538).
    F. L. Godet (1812-1900): “The gathering of the elect [Matthew24:31]…is mentioned by St. Paul, 1 Thess. 4:16, 17, 2 Thess. 2:1…” (Commentary on Luke, p. 452).
    Robert Murray McCheyne (1813-1842): “Christians must have ‘great tribulation’; but they come out of it” (Bonar’s Memoirs of McCheyne, p. 26).
    S. P. Tregelles (1813-1875): “The Scripture teaches the Church to wait for the manifestation of Christ. The secret theory bids us to expect a coming before any such manifestation” (The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming, p. 71).
    Franz Delitzsch (1813-1890): “…the approaching day is the day of Christ, who comes…for final judgment” (Commentary on Hebrews, Vol. II, p. 183).
    C. J. Ellicott (1819-1905): “[I Thessalonians 4:17] ‘to meet the Lord,’ as He is coming down to earth…” (Commentary on the Thessalonian Epistles, p. 66).
    Nathaniel West (1826-1906): “[The Pre-Trib Rapture] is built on a postulate, vicious in logic, violent in exegesis, contrary to experience, repudiated by the early Church, contradicted by the testimony of eighteen hundred years…and condemned by all the standard scholars of every age” (The Apostle Paul and the “Any Moment” Theory, p. 30).
    Alexander Maclaren (1826-1910): “He will keep us in the midst of, and also from, the hour of temptation [Revelation 3:10]” (The Epistles of John, Jude and the Book of Revelation, p. 266).
    J. H. Thayer (1828-1901): “To keep [Revelation 3:10]:…by guarding, to cause one to escape in safety out of” (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, p. 622).
    Adolph Saphir (1831-1891): “…the advent of the Messiah…to which both the believing synagogue and the church of the Lord Jesus Christ are looking…” (The Epistle to the Hebrews, Vol. I, p. 96).
    M. R. Vincent (1834-1922): “The preposition [‘from’] implies, not a keeping from temptation, but a keeping in temptation [Revelation 3:10]…” (Word Studies…, p. 466).
    William J. Erdman (1834-1923): “…by the ‘saints’ seen as future by Daniel and by John are meant ‘the Church’…” (Notes on the Book of Revelation, p. 47).
    H. Grattan Guinness (1835-1910): “…the Church is on earth during the action of the Apocalypse…” (The Approaching End of the Age, p. 136).
    H. B. Swete (1835-1917): “The promise [of Revelation 3:10], as Bede says, is ‘not indeed of your being immune from adversity, but of not being overcome by it'” (The Apocalypse of St. John, p. 56).
    William G. Moorehead (1836-1914): “…the last days of the Church’s deepest humiliation when Antichrist is practicing and prospering (Dan. viii:12)…” (Outline Studies in the New Testament, p. 123).
    A. H. Strong (1836-1921): “The final coming of Christ is referred to in: Mat. 24:30…[and] I Thess. 4:16…” (Systematic Theology, p. 567).
    Theodor Zahn (1838-1933): “…He will preserve…at the time of the great temptation [Revelation 3:10]…” (Zahn-Kommentar, I, p. 305).
    I. T. Beckwith (1843-1936): “The Philadelphians…are promised that they shall be carried in safety through the great trial [Revelation 3:10], they shall not fall” (The Apocalypse of John, p. 484).
    Robert Cameron (1845-1922): “The Coming for, and the Coming with, the saints, still persists, although it involves a manifest contradiction, viz., two Second Comings which is an absurdity” (Scriptural Truth About the Lord’s Return, p. 16).
    B. B. Warfield (1851-1921): “…He shall come again to judgment…to close the dispensation of grace…” (Biblical Doctrines, p. 639).
    David Baron (1855-1926): “(Tit. ii. 13), for then the hope as regards the church, and Israel, and the world, will be fully realised” (Visions of Zechariah, p. 323).
    Philip Mauro (1859-1952): “…’dispensational teaching’ is modernistic in the strictest sense…it first came into existence within the memory of persons now living…” (The Gospel of the Kingdom, p. 8).
    A. T. Robertson (1863-1934): “In Rev. 3:10…we seem to have the picture of general temptation with the preservation of the saints” (A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research, p. 596).
    R. C. H. Lenski (1864-1936): “…it [Philadelphia] shall be kept untouched and unharmed by the impending dangers [Revelation 3:10]” (The Interpretation of St. John’s Revelation, pp. 146-146).
    William E. Biederwolf (1867-1939): “Godet, like most pre-millennial expositors, makes no provision for any period between the Lord’s coming for His saints and His coming with them…” (The Second Coming Bible, p. 385).
    Alexander Reese (1881-1969): “…we quite deliberately reject the dispensational theories, propounded first about 1830…” (The Approaching Advent of Christ, p. 293).
    Norman S. MacPherson (1899-1980): “…the view that the Church will not pass into or through the Great Tribulation is based largely upon arbitrary interpretations of obscure passages” (Triumph Through Tribulation, p. 5).

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  3. Jesus-Lord says:

    I always wonder WHY “Christians” go out of their way to discredit God and His Word. I guess it is easier to have a blog than to actually study the original text in Greek and Hebrew. Very sad, as Paul told us to comfort one another with it, Jesus told us He would keep us from the hour of trial and you are pasting images mocking our Savior with appliances and kittens flying through the air. No, I am not offended, just sad that you think WE are loony, when you will not so easily find blogs and websites attacking those that don’t believe in the Rapture, yet the internet is full of the opposite. We are called all kinds of names, ridiculed and laughed at for being “escapists”. In the end, I should not be too surprised, Jesus was mocked by non-believers too. Who am I not to be mocked. What a insignificant price to pay for what He has in store for me!

    1-it’s escapism, we all have to suffer
    2-what do we do with Matthew 24?
    3-the word “rapture” does not appear in the Bible
    4-it’s a new teaching that first surfaced in the 1800’s and it originated in the USA
    5-where do you get the Rapture idea from?
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    1. “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thes 5:9).

    “while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13)

    “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth” (Rev 3:10).
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    2. This is the most common argument by those that either do not believe in the Rapture or by those that do not believe the Rapture will happen pre-tribulation. I could write a novel just about this argument alone. First, one must understand the Word enough to understand the Gospels, and whom they each tried to communicate to.

    **Matthew specifically wrote to the Jews**Mark wrote to the Romans**Luke wrote to the Greeks **John wrote to the Church

    Now, we are to all read the entire Bible, the Word is for all of us, so please don’t send me messages about how wrong I am here. Read the Word! Whom is Jesus talking to in Matthew? The church was not even born in Matthew 24, so what in the world are these naysayers talking about?
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    3. REALLY??? OK, let’s look into that, because this is a ridiculous argument!!! If this argument had any validity, we would also not use the words SUNDAY, TRINITY, GAY and others because they do not appear in the Bible. This is absurd and shows how little time and effort people spend learning the Word. So what is in the Bible and why do we say “Rapture”? Here goes: The word HARPAZO is in the original Greek, means:
    -caught up
    -to seize, carry off by force
    -to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly
    -to snatch out or away

    You can go to STRONG or THE SEPTUAGINT or HELPS and get the translation.
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    4. NO! it’s not a new teaching, NO! it did not originate in the USA! Below are just a few examples:

    Epistle of Barnabas (A.D. 100)
    Irenaeus, in Against Heresies
    Hippolytus, a disciple of Irenaeus (2nd Century)
    Justin Martyr, Dialog with Trypho
    Ephraem the Syrian (4th Century)
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    5. This is easy! We get the Rapture idea from Jesus, The LORD. Below are the verses that support the Rapture:

    1 Thessalonians 13-18 “13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words”.

    1 Thessalonians 1:10 “and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come”.

    1 Corinthians 15:50-54 50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
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    • Nathan says:

      I’m not a Christian myself, but I have read the Bible, and I have to say that trying to tie all of the end-times predictions together is essentially an exercise in futility. Sure, you can find passages that support the Rapture, but also others that don’t. And if people are going to be raptured, why shouldn’t kittens?

      • Jesus-Lord says:

        “I am not a Christian”, therefore I know Christians are wrong??? That’s your stance? Brilliant! To be clear, there are NO verses that do not support the Rapture! You might be trying to say there are verses that dispute the rapture (also false), but saying there are verses that do not support the rapture has a different meaning. I have no idea what you could be referring to, not does it matters (and don’t mention Mathew 24, as this chapter is NOT about the rapture, rather the Second Coming, not written to the church, but to the Jews, the church did not exists in Matthew 24). As far as why would kittens not get raptured….Jesus did not shed His blood for a cat! He is God, if He didn’t die for angels, He wasn’t going to die for an animal. Before commenting on faith, I would at least want to know what it is those within the faith believe, you clearly are not concerned with facts. I don’t see too many people commenting on all the RIDICULOUS beliefs in the world, yet Jesus is the thorn in everyone’s side. I don’t see the ACLU suing Hindus or Buddhists, but you say Jesus and it’s on!

      • Nathan says:

        How did you get “I know Christians are wrong” out of anything I said? I don’t know for a fact if there is a god or the Rapture is going to be something real, but I DO know I haven’t seen any particular evidence for either one. I could certainly be wrong, though. As for the ACLU not suing Hindus or Buddhists, do these religious groups really have that much power in this country? They do elsewhere in the world, but that wouldn’t be something the AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union could do anything about. And the ACLU HAS frequently defended people of faith when it felt their civil liberties were violated. Freedom of (and from) religion is a basic American right as stated in the Constitution. And yet we’re also free to ridicule other people’s beliefs. That’s hardly persecution, after all, especially when Christianity is still the majority religion in the nation.

        My intention of putting up the kitten picture was not to make any theological point; I just thought it was cute and amusing. Still, there is an argument to be made as to why, if God is the deity of ALL living things, he would particularly favor humans. And a lot of people are going to be pretty upset if they find out that Heaven is real but their pets can’t go there. I certainly would be.

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